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La Toya Jackson sat down with Ellen DeGeneres and fondly remembered her brother Michael Jackson while getting rather emotional. But Ellen kept the interview light by also chatting with La Toya about Celebrity Apprentice and got her to call her co-star Star Jones “mean.”

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La Toya explained on The Ellen DeGeneres Show on Wednesday how she learned of Michael’s sudden death.

“I almost crashed the car,” La Toya said. “I started crying and my head went to the steering wheel. I started begging people on the street to drive me because my legs got so weak.”

“I couldn’t believe it,” she said. “My heart just fell to the ground.”

“Let’s just talk about the best thing about him that people might not know,” Ellen said.

Watch La Toya remember Michael with Ellen below!

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“[Celebrity Apprentice contestant] NeNe [Leakes] was here not too long ago and she doesn’t care for Star [Jones] too much,” Ellen told La Toya. “Are you having a hard time with Star as well?”

“I think everybody has a hard time with Star,” La Toya said. “I really do.”

“She’s a tough one, right?” Ellen asked. “Is it tough or is it mean?”

“Okay, I don’t want to say anything really bad,” La Toya said.

“Okay, just say something sort of bad,” Ellen countered.

“Okay, she’s mean … because I always say, if I had lost that much weight I would have been so happy and pleased with myself,” LaToya eventually admitted to Ellen. “It’s something inside that’s hurting her to react that way to everyone … just put a smile on your face sometimes!”

Watch La Toya discuss Celebrity Apprentice below!

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